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CharlesWHatfield

Alright, already, I'll read some more CASANOVA!

Jeez.

CH

PS. The sidelong reference to Moorcock makes me want to ask Fraction if he's a fan of Bryan Talbot's Arkwright.

DerikB

I think your use of "conventional representation" could be very confusing. As convention can too easily be taken to mean traditional, staid, normal, etc.

Couldn't we say most of those emanata are forms of metonymy (and metaphor)?

I'm a little confused by the diegetic representation idea: "elements in any given panel that make sense only in the individual comic's diegesis"

Would this negate things that could make sense out of the individual comic? So much of what is shown does make sense in an isolated way outside the individual work (a panel of someone taking a drink of water, a panel of someone walking down the street). Are diegetic representations only those things that are uniquely sensical within the comic?

Using the traditional meaning of diegetic, wouldn't diegetic representation be everything in the comic that exists within the world. That is, most everything in your average comic except sound effects, word balloons, and emanata?

ScottH

I am by no stretch of the imagination underqualified to propound extensively on the topic of graphic novels and comic books, but I would like to know how the work of artists like Chris Ware fit into the Thierry Groensteen argument that the panels themselves contain more meaning than the content within. With Ware's infinitesimally small panels containing social and personal commentary, is he the exception that makes the rule, or has he created a new style for which it is worth revising an old theory?

CharlesWHatfield

Scott, good to hear from you. I don't think it's so much a question of panels containing more meaning than their contents (pretty funny, that). It's a question of viewing comics as clusters of sites, or spaces: a perspective that allows for large-scale structural considerations. Ware often has these considerations in mind, I think, in addition to the "local" considerations of how to pack social and personal commentary into small panels.

Of course, the Groensteen argument is biased toward comics that are gridded in a strict, rectilinear way; in other words, toward comics that boast certain architectonic qualities. I think Groensteen actually applies better to Ware than he does to, say, late-period Will Eisner, where the grid is often broken apart and images tend to bleed into each other. Not so say that Groensteen's idea of comics as a "spatio-topia" cannot also be applied to Eisner; it's just that Groensteen's insistence on comics as networks more obviously applies to work that is consistently gridded and that uses repetition/variation of the grid to create patterns of association. Watchmen, say, whose pages are tightly, compulsively gridded according to a classical nine-panel layout.

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