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Isaac

Hear, hear!

I agree with each of your proposals there, Charles. In particular, I think it's time for that stronger commitment to peer review. That step would probably force us to be accountable to our own interdisciplinarity (and our colleagues') in a way that we often aren't nowadays.

It's also true that there ought to be programs in comics studies. That may be harder to pull off, just because there don't tend to be multiple people working on comics at the same institution, but maybe we'll get lucky one of these days.

Côme Martin

Concerning your second point: I always feel somewhat frustrated when I tell people my field of research is comics, and they nod approvingly, not really knowing what it means... I feel it is as stupid to say that someone's field is "comics" as to say it is "literature". It's too much vast a genre for that. But then, if you tell people "I'm working on American silent comics in the 20th century", they're even more lost...

CharlesWHatfield

Isaac, you raise a good, point, that "there don't tend to be multiple people working on comics at the same institution." Yes, that's true, and a real impediment to getting up a head of steam in the field. Teaching, I believe, is at the core of most of the issues I raised, and we need a critical mass of teachers, therefore of courses and programs, to make a difference over the long haul.

The fact that few institutions will support multiple scholars specializing in comics probably helps account for the importance we place on networking beyond our local institutions, and for the enthusiasm that still greets new comics conferences and other networking opportunities (and of course Net discussions like this one, which take us beyond our local and regional limits). Still, we need more of the embodied, day-to-day stuff, more regular contact with students and advisees, to make the real difference.

One thing that might help is thinking interdepartmentally, that is, thinking of people we might work with who are at our institutions but outside of our departments and disciplines and therefore outside of our usual routine contacts (I've noticed that each department at my university is a sort of ecosystem and culture unto itself, and that it's much harder to forge connections with faculty outside of that culture). The only warrant for comics studies programs (majors, minors, concentrations) that I can see working at most universities is interdepartmental, in much the same way that transdisciplinary fields like medieval studies sometimes lead to interdepartmental majors: English meets History meets Philosophy meets Art History, etc.

CharlesWHatfield

Côme, I hear what you're saying. To me it's frustrating that a certain narrow conception of comics (very often, American periodical comic books and their GN offspring) is so dominant that people don't even acknowledge the existence of other comics genres and other, alternate, genealogies of the comics form. This is as true of people within comics studies as it is of curious outsiders.

This is what I had in mind when I said, "too many projects construct the field too narrowly, ignoring important and useful theoretical work from 'outside' comics studies or focusing exclusively on one genre of comics without acknowledging that other genres exist." I have seen so many conference paper abstracts that treat American comic books as a synecdoche for ALL comics, without even acknowledging that there might be a larger field (larger in terms of both cultural geography, publishing format, and genre); it's frustrating.

Of course the problem is slightly different "from the outside," that is, when trying to explain one's work to someone who has no familiarity with comics studies of any kind. Then you're left trying to infer the listener's understanding of what "comics" means before you can even begin to explain your specialization in, say, wordless comics.

It is true that comics and comics studies are vast and diverse fields. I would like to think that we can devise ways of bringing the many different approaches into dialogue, so that we can support one another without unthinkingly collapsing everyone's work into the same generic conception. I would say that we have to bring up and discuss our differences (in discipline, methodology, purpose) before we can get anywhere useful as a field

Phil Rippke

Charles, isn't it a good idea to limit the scope of one's paper, class, etc? Are you arguing that a paper that (for example) examines misogyny in Frank Miller's work needs to also mention the same in Osamu Tezuka's work? That you can't teach a class about the comic book artform without mentioning Herge and other European artists?

Ben Towle

As a (for the most part) outsider to the world of academia, I'm certainly no expert on such things, but I think the points you outline here, if achieved, would certainly further the cause of comics studies at colleges and universities. What I wonder though is, would this really forward the understanding and appreciation of comics as a whole. I guess what I fear is a bifurcation of comics discourse that would yield essentially what we have today in film: writings on "film studies" that are (shall we say, to be kind) often less than opaque and written by, intended for, and read solely by other academics--and mass market film reviews that are usually just cursory summaries. Is a comics discourse that excludes say, Gary Groth, or Bill Blackbeard what one should be shooting for? Certainly, as you say, academics have their own particular concerns, but I wonder if in "circling the wagons" to address those you're not moving toward a vision of comics studies that's by its nature completely insular. Of course, that may not be something that's viewed as a problem. I certainly don't get the impression that academics in the humanities are overly-concerned that they produce and consume work solely for one another. (There's an excellent essay by Joseph Witek in a recent IJOCA.)

Ben Towle

That's:

There's an excellent essay by Joseph Witek in a recent IJOCA that addresses some of these issues.)

CharlesWHatfield

Phil, I agree that limiting the scope of one's work is important, even necessary. But, to take your example, examining misogyny in Miller's work with or without addressing the same issue in Tezuka's, I have seen many studies or abstracts that are not even capable of acknowledging that comics outside of Miller's comic book/graphic novel tradition exist.

A case could be made that misogyny in Miller reveals something deeply entrenched and troubling about the American comic book subculture. But would we want to tacitly send the signal that this same "something" is identically present in comics all around the world, without so much as acknowledging that differences in the treatment of gender and sex (and differences in audiences and form) obtain among the different comics cultures of the world?

When people automatically assume that "comics" means "the kind of comics I am used to reading" or "the kind of comics I grew up with," we are in danger of a serious and damaging provincialism. The point is not that all studies should cover all things -- heavens forfend! -- but that scholars should become more adept at positioning their work vis-a-vis the larger project of comics studies.

I have no problem with carefully contextualized studies of particular areas; I'm trying to create such a study in the Jack Kirby book I'm working on now. That book is all about the kinds of comics books I grew up with. But setting one's sights in such a specific way is not the same as assuming that "comics studies" equals "comic book studies" (a presumption I've seen in play over and over).

CharlesWHatfield

As a follow-up to Phil, I want to say that I think placing comics within larger cultural and theoretical contexts makes them more interesting and makes our scholarship more urgent. Again to use the example of Miller, knowing Miller's invocations of European and Japanese cartoonists, his indebtedness to film noir, his worship of crime fiction, his participation in debates regarding "free speech" versus "censorship," his often contentious (though dependent) relationships with both the mainstream comic book industry and the film industry, and the cachet that his name currently has with people outside the comics industry are all important things for understanding how, e.g., Miller frames sex, sexuality, and gender in his comics. To represent these issues well, we would probably have to have recourse to criticism regarding European BD and Japanese manga, among other topics. At the least, we would have to acknowledge Miller's invocation of non-US comics within a US publishing context, and how this invocation helped cement Miller's auteur status (cf. Ronin). We would also have to acknowledge Miller's opinions on the high/low culture debates within comics, his criticism of or resistance to the gentrification or consecration of comics "as literature," and his very black-and-white, Manichean reading of the anti-comics campaigns of the 1950s, which of course brings us to larger debates about the role and alleged effects of mass culture in that period. I think an examination of misogyny in Miller would be an excellent research topic, but the research would certainly have to go further than the most readily available fan resources re: Miller, at least by way of introduction, contextualization, and literature review.

And, no, I don't think one ought to teach a class on American comic books without at least referencing, by way of introduction, that there are other ways of doing comics, other formats, other genres, other reading cultures. At the least, I think American comic books ought to be contextualized in terms of the rest of the comics world, even if it's only briefly in the course of an introductory lecture or presentation. I believe the specificity of the comic book medium is better illustrated by comparative/contrastive invocation of other forms of comics.

This incidentally is a question I struggle with routinely in teaching my annual "Comics & Graphic Novels" class, as I try, first, to sketch out the contours of the larger world of comics, then to bring the course down to a level of specificity and focus that actually makes it manageable. As a result of this struggle, my class contains what may seem like some odd detours, but I'm in favor of that if it helps students frame what they're doing historically and culturally.

CharlesWHatfield

Ben, thanks for your question, which I think is an excellent one, one that cuts right to the heart of what I'm talking about. In fact it's a question Craig and I have often discussed, and will probably keep on discussing. :)

You asked,

"Is a comics discourse that excludes say, Gary Groth, or Bill Blackbeard what one should be shooting for?"

Emphatically not, but I don't think that's the issue here. I think the issue is that academics studying comics have to frame their research questions, adopt their methodologies, and present their findings in terms that are comprehensible to other academics and held up to peer review. That doesn't mean that they have to fall into the trap of insularity.

FORGIVE ME WHILE I GO ON A BIT HERE:

As I've said, I would never claim that critical discourse about comics must always be academic in nature, or that non-academic work has had no value.

Case in point: The Comics Journal has changed my life. Seriously. I doubt I would be doing the work I do today without the singular example of TCJ to goad me toward looking more closely, thinking more critically, and asking more important questions about comics. TCJ has had many academic contributors but is, by nature and by choice, not an academic publication. I wouldn't change that if I could. But TCJ does not deal routinely with the kind of things I needed to deal with when writing my book on alternative comics, nor the kinds of things that concern me now as an academic.

Another case in point: Blackbeard's lifelong work as archivist and historian is hugely important, among the most important scholarly projects ever in American comics studies. Without Blackbeard's archiving of comic strips, for example, our access to and understanding of vintage strips would be much, much poorer. Blackbeard's collection is a great gift to our field, the kind of gift without which it might be difficult to say that we have a field. Scholars are now making use of what Blackbeard preserved in order to ask kinds of research questions Blackbeard has never asked. Which is exactly what such resources are for.

But the major questions facing academics who want to make comics study an acknowledged, professionally significant part of their work include:

How can I present my work in such a way that disinterested academics will find value and inspiration in it?

How can I go about understanding the ways comics are connected to larger cultural, historical, artistic, and theoretical concerns?

How can I be sure that the things I've read and heard repeated ad infinitum in fan lore are actually accurate? How can I use academic and institutional resources to corroborate and enrich my work, to move beyond lore to genuine historiography? (An example of this challenge is the study of the anti-comics campaign of the 1950s, study that has been hampered in American fan discourse by a shroud of misinformation, half-truths, distortions, and defensive posturing.)

How can I gain a warrant for teaching this material on a regular basis, so as to spread knowledge about comics?

I have to say that, as an academic, I've read my share of turgid, uncommunicative, downright impenetrable writing. I understand where those characterizations come from. But I have difficulty accepting the idea that academic discourse that cleaves to academic standards must by its nature be "completely insular."

Knowledge production sure as hell isn't limited to academia, but academics do make knowledge according to what are supposed to be firm standards, particularly the standard of peer review. That's still lacking in academic comics study, and that lack is hampering the further growth and legitimization of the project. IMO comics scholars in academia need to face the fact that their primary audiences are fellow academics and students, and that this obliges them to go beyond fan resources and to make connections with diverse centers of knowledge.

BTW, any academic studying the American comics scene who does not follow what Groth and Blackbeard are doing and have done is guilty of not doing his/her homework. Academics have an obligation to pursue these non-academic sources of knowledge!

Kent

Charles has raised important issues in a characteristically thoughtful manner. I hope his piece circulates widely. I completely agree with his points about defining comics broadly, building on the relevant secondary literature, making connections across disciplines, and moving away from a fannish mentality.

He might have emphasized the vital contributions that non-US scholars have made, and the far-from-completed task of translating key works from French (etc.) into English. A more thorough-going process of internationalization will help to create and sustain the kind of serious-minded comics scholarship that Charles is calling for in this post.

As Charles knows, I'm partial to the mid-century New York Intellectuals and the tradition of freelance cultural criticism. I realize that Charles agrees that folks like Groth and Seldes are worth reading, but his piece doesn't make it sufficiently clear that non-academics have a vital contribution to make to comics studies. That said, he's right that academics have an obligation to be taken seriously by other academics. Comics studies should not be a safe harbor for folks who can't get published in refereed journals. I like writing for the Comics Journal, but I don't put those reviews on my vitae.

For self-interested reasons I'm curious how 'A Comics Studies Reader' fits into his analysis - is it sufficiently professional in its approach? Would "disinterested" scholars find it credible? Are there key debates and approaches that we left out? At some point there will hopefully be a second edition, and Jeet and I will need to give some serious thought to the kinds of issues that Charles has flagged here.

CharlesWHatfield

Kent, thanks so much for your considered response.

First off, I would say that "A Comics Studies Reader" is a fine book and a marvelous classroom text. It is thoroughly professional in approach, with an eye toward facilitating teaching. It introduces key texts and debates in several different but complementary areas. Its introduction is excellent, a de facto roadmap to major questions in the field. It takes a rounded, informed, multidisciplinary view of comics, but with admirable focus, conciseness, and editorial finesse. In short, I think it sets a high standard.

It also happens to be an excellent companion to your and Jeet's earlier "Arguing Comics," which is, as I see it, essentially an academic compilation of mostly non-academic work that predates the rise of Cultural Studies. What makes AC academic is its provenance and its way of focusing the issues. However, it is not "exclusively" academic, and could provide readers outside of the academy with a helpful sense of context.

You said,

"I realize that Charles agrees that folks like Groth and Seldes are worth reading, but his piece doesn't make it sufficiently clear that non-academics have a vital contribution to make to comics studies."

I thought I'd made that clear, but in hindsight I believe the point is obscured by the fact that my post is, essentially, a polemical attempt at intervening in academic discussion. I did write the piece for an academic audience, and it was (and is) my intention to elicit commentary specifically from academics. In that sense the piece is unlike most of my TB posts.

I'm not trying to play the Status Game here vis-a-vis freelance intellectuals and cultural critics, and I emphatically would not make the case that academic contributions to comics studies are the only important ones. I believe good critical writing should be valued wherever it comes from; I also believe that academics have (though they have often neglected this) an obligation to seek clarity and directness in communication. Academia is a moving, shifting target, not monolithic in style or outlook, and I am one of those academics who would like to see fewer examples of imitative theorizing and obscurantism, more attention to clear, forthright, and forceful writing, and a greater effort to gloss specialized concepts for the benefit of non-academic readers (to say nothing of our students!).

But I do think that, as you say, "academics have an obligation to be taken seriously by other academics." I contend that academic comics study has a way to go in that regard. The bottom line is that cultural criticism and scholarship, whether academically affiliated or not, need to achieve escape velocity from fandom and need to cleave to the practice of peer review and honest self-examination. That is, if comics studies is to be taken seriously as a scholarly endeavor.

Adrielle Mitchell

Charles,

First of all, your manifesto is valuable! Thank you for posting it. You can see that it is already generating good dialogue, both here and on the Comix List. I drafted these remarks yesterday, so they are not fully conversant with the ensuing discussion in the comments, but I still wanted to post my initial response.

There is no question that the field of comics studies is maturing significantly right now (though North America lags, as noted by all those comix list discussants who are pushing for more translations, behind other nations [esp. Belgium and France] in the synthetic use of complex theoretical work in conversation with comic texts. My dormant French is getting a good workout now that I am highly motivated to read European scholarly articles on BD/comics theory etc. that have not been translated into English.). As you mention, the critical mass of specialized journals, dedicated comics conferences, panels at more general academic conferences, book publications, etc. has risen exponentially, and is a very heartening sign for those of us who occupy this scholarly niche.

At the same time, our process of vetting is erratic; to truly profess that we are participating in peer-reviewed, academically credible scholarship, it would probably help to begin consolidating our disparate methodologies, foci, assumptions about which scholarly conversations a given researcher is entering, and to which s/he is responding, etc. I believe it was Bucky Carter who mentioned at a recent comics conference that the very "hotness" of this field means that the flood of writing we can expect in the next few years might include as many examples of limited, isolated (i.e. uninformed) attempts at contributing to the field as successful, theoretically grounded, and "serious" (your term, Charles) pieces. Thus, your call for a regulating body (ack, bad term) such as an overarching (international, I'd hope) Comics Studies Association, seems not only like a good idea, but a necessity.

On the issue of "disciplinarity," I am wondering why you are, on the one hand, acknowledging that the inherent nature of the field is interdisciplinary but, on the other hand, using single discipline programs as your comparative. To me, it is clear that comics studies follows in the tradition of programs like Asian Studies, Gender Studies, American Studies, etc. I do not agree that there can be no "disciplinary identity" for such programs. These programs are our ancestors or closest parallels, if you will, and they have fairly well-defined parameters, approaches, philosophies. That's not to say that implementing such programs is unproblematic. We already know, for example, that our colleagues who hold dual appointments often feel half-recognized by both their affiliations, rather than seen as a practitioner of complex, connective work. Those whose appointment is actually in the interdisciplinary program often find themselves very isolated as a member of a one-three member "program" without clear "departmental" status.

Obviously, and as you note, Charles, the very notion of disciplines has been fraught for some time now. Isn't it time for us to acknowledge the parochial nature of such divisions (especially in the social sciences and humanities)? I think it IS possible to have a cohesive set of precepts for multidisciplinary programs; these precepts would be built on the very intersectionality, debate and continual reshaping which marks their nature.

Some initial thoughts in response to your stimulating post. I'll continue to watch the discussion unfold.

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I was having a discussion about comics and academia a few days ago with people at work. Some were incredulous about how I had I written papers on comics for classes. (they were also amazed that i went to graduate school to study popular culture). And that was back in the late 80s and early 90s. I had hoped people had gotten to the point where, even in the real world, studying things like comics and film wasn't shocking.

I too am glad to see the field maturing, said as someone who has presented papers on comics both for academic conferences and for Pete and Randy's CAC at San Diego.

CharlesWHatfield

Adrielle, thank you very much for this stimulating and from my POV very helpful response! In particular, your contributions re: multidisciplinarity and how to implement interdepartmental programs are thought-provoking and IMO important. I agree with you that interdisciplinary programs such as (I take these examples from my own school, CSU Northridge) Women's and Gender Studies, Queer Studies, American Indian Studies, and Asian-American Studies are the best model here.

I myself tend to invoke the Medieval Studies program at my alma mater, UConn, to explain the point: that program, as it says on its webpage (http://www.medievalstudies.uconn.edu/ is the URL), works as follows:

>> The Departments of Art and Art History, English, History, Modern and Classical Languages, Music, and Philosophy cooperate in the program. Students take courses in three cooperating departments, with a major emphasis in one department or departmental area.<<

I believe this kind of model would work best for comics studies in most cases (depending on the institution, of course) because it would allow for truly interdisciplinary study while avoiding the costly and needless reproduction of bureaucratic structures and services already in place.

I fully agree with your critique of the notion of disciplines. My forthcoming article in Transatlantica, which is titled "Indiscipline, or, The Condition of Comics Studies," is devoted to this very question. I look forward to that coming out and I hope you and I will continue dialoging after you've had a chance to read it.

In closing, you said, "I think it IS possible to have a cohesive set of precepts for multidisciplinary programs; these precepts would be built on the very intersectionality, debate and continual reshaping which marks their nature," and I want to underline that passage with fluorescent highlighter! The nature of that intersectionality is exactly what I think we need to be debating and articulating, going forward.

Eric Berlatsky

I'm re-posting a message I sent to the comics scholars listserv at Charles' request....

The question posed was, "what is comics studies: what is its locus and focus," and the questioner asked and reiterated the question a bit more forcefully than seemed productive...This was my response... (and it does have some indirect bearing on the conversation so far here).

Comics is a mixed media and is, by its nature, a mixed discipline...

Comics as “art” (visual)
Comics as narrative
Comics as literature
Comics as “culture” (often popular or mass culture)
Comics as history
Comics as communication
Comics as media
Comics as rhetoric
Etc. etc.

When there are enough of us and enough interest institutionally, it becomes possible to cull all of these things (and more) together to construct independent departments, programs, (more) journals, etc. As it is, comics’ multidisciplinarity (many loci/foci, etc.) is a strength...since it allows comics to occupy many places intellectually and institutionally. Therefore comics studies can exist without having an official “home.” Maybe it would be preferable to have such a home, but pigeonholing one (or two) locus and focus seems counterproductive given the current academic and economic environment. At the moment, I can write about and study comics because its just a slice of my professional life...If it were my sole focus, I have little doubt I wouldn’t have a job.

Comics studies is the study of comics...This can be done in many ways (and is)--and, of course, the definition of “comics” is itself perpetually up for debate, widening the field even more....But so what? Literary studies is the study of literature (if many if not all of the above ways)...and we still don’t know what “literature” is either. While an interesting conversation to have, not having a defined answer hasn’t exactly killed the discipline.

Craig Fischer

Let me add my proverbial two cents to these thoughtful responses to Charles' post.

First, I don't agree with Ben’s characterization of film studies as a field polarized between consumer-guide newspaper reviews and impenetrable academic articles. There's a middle ground--what David Bordwell calls essayistic criticism--represented by the articles in, for example, FILM COMMENT, and by the longer essays by Jonathan Rosenbaum and J. Hoberman (both of whom are in the tradition of the freelance intellectuals Kent mentions). By presenting sophisticated ideas about film in non-academic venues like the VILLAGE VOICE, writers like Hoberman and Rosenbaum provide an invaluable service. I love essayistic criticism like this.

I see Groth, Seldes and Blackbeard as comics' version of essayistic critics. (I should mention that in his recent "Origins of the Comics Journal" post on COMICS COMICS, Jeet Heer recently downplayed the influence of public intellectuals like Dwight MacDonald on Groth. I'm still mulling that over.) Ben wonders if we should aspire to an academic comics discourse that "excludes" people like Groth, but I wonder if the exclusion isnt more the other way around. In my own TRANSATLANTICA essay (cough, cough, plug, cough), I quote an exchange between Groth and Ana Merino from THE INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF COMIC ART:

Groth: Academia doesn't cultivate unique voices that have distinctive perceptions of the work they scrutinize: they more and more specialize in value neutral "analysis," wholly removed from qualitative distinctions. Instead of learning the virtues a critic believes a work possesses, you know how he applied or imposed certain theories.

Merino: Sometimes there is an enjoyment for the art per se. And you don’t have to focus on, say, if it is good or bad.

Groth: It's crucial. That's crucial.

Merino: No it's not.

Groth: Well, that is the perfect academic point of view.

Merino: In the moment you choose to work about something, there is a value. It is why you choose to work on that. If it wasn't of any value you will not choose it.

Groth: Sorry, your underlying presupposition is fallacious. The academy often analyzes work of no evident value whatsoever.

How is Groth defining the academy here? And who’s excluding who?

One of the major differences I see between essayistic and academic comics criticism is scope. Academic criticism aspires to get beyond arguments over qualitative distinctions--which can be valuable, but are emphatically NOT the only approach a critic can take--to place a work in all the other different contexts of meaning (narrative, visual, rhetorical, ideological, etc.) that Eric mentions, and many more.(And yep, this might mean jumping over the Atlantic and citing Jordi Bernet’s TORPEDO series in an academic article on Frank Miller and misogyny.) There's a clear difference of scope between Groth's essays for the JOURNAL and, say, David Kunzle's Topffer book, and that's what we're debating here: what kind of academic climate should we create so that we end up with a hundred or a thousand books like Kunzle's?

CharlesWHatfield

Eric, I agree with your point that "comics’ multidisciplinarity...is a strength...since it allows comics to occupy many places intellectually and institutionally. Therefore comics studies can exist without having an official 'home.'"

Of course the lack of an official home could also be construed as a weakness, and does pose organizational challenges. I think the situation we're in right now entails thinking about ways to make that putative weakness into an actual strength.

What we're going to need is an intentional model of interdisciplinarity, what Adrielle (above) calls "a cohesive set of precepts" for multidisciplinary work.

I'd like to see the formation of an interdisciplinary and international professional association that includes caucuses or discussion groups drawn up on disciplinary lines as well as annual events (e.g., symposia) of an explicitly interdisciplinary nature, focused on common topics. Conferences could be organized so as to facilitate interdisciplinary collaboration, while also allowing disciplinary caucuses to focus on issues of specific disciplinary concern.

CharlesWHatfield

Thanks, Craig! I appreciate your comments re: essayistic criticism and your positing of a "middle ground" that brings together academics and (Kent's phrase) freelance intellectuals. I agree: clear, lucid, sophisticated criticism in non-academic (or non-exclusive) venues can be enormously valuable, and of course deeply pleasurable to read and discuss. And I'm glad to have you counter Ben's characterization of contemporary film studies.

My point all along has been, not to dismiss or place a derogatory asterisk next to non-academic work, but to insist that there are professional needs that academics have that must be dealt with by academics for academics: e.g., to develop academic programs in comics studies; to mentor students and introduce them to the field; to leverage institutional resources, such as funding and library resources; to set up networks for the purpose of peer review; to establish refereed forums, such as journals and conferences, that will be recognized and supported academically; to open up opportunities for professional service that will be duly acknowledged and rewarded academically; to communicate the nature and importance of comics studies across academia; etc.

This has nothing to do with ruling out of court the work of freelance, or unaffiliated, or non-academic, intellectuals. It has to do with a basic rhetorical understanding: that academics, as Kent says, have an obligation to be taken seriously by other academics. This has implications for how, where, and under what circumstances academic work is to be presented, and how academics are to venture into that "middle ground."

Speaking personally, I'd call myself an academic, a fan, and an occasional would-be essayistic critic (heh), or freelancer in any case, and I see all these roles as distinct yet complementary. That's not to say that these roles do not overlap in my experience, or that I don't use things I've learned in one sphere to help me in another; but I believe that the work I'm doing academically needs to cleave to academic standards and be seen in academic venues.

BTW, I think your point about the difference in scope between essayistic and academic criticism is right on. Academic work may and sometimes must proceed on other terms. Obviously, I disagree with Groth's contention that "academia doesn't cultivate unique voices that have distinctive perceptions of the work they scrutinize"; I think that line reflects a misunderstanding of the nature and potential of "theory" and paints too mechanistic a picture of academia.

Mark McKinney

Hi Charles,
Very interesting ideas on your post about comics studies and scholarship. Thanks a lot for having mentioned European Comic Art (ECA)!

I agree with much of what you say in your post. One group that you seem to have overlooked there is the International Bande Dessinée Society (http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/ibds/ is their address), headed by Laurence Grove. As you know, they've been around now for about twelve years, and have put on conferences (6 now, I think) every two years. The conference is growing in size (ran parallel sessions for the first time this year) and does not focus exclusively on French-language comics, although that remains its core. The group and its conference have done excellent work in mentoring some graduate students, mostly in the U.K., writing M.A. theses and Ph.D. dissertations on bande dessinée. The scholars who participate in it are publishing books and articles and/that maintain an ongoing scholarly discussion on comics. And they keep up with French-language scholarship on comics. The IBDS has a constitution and dues, and the journal ECA is now closely tied to it. The IBDS could at least partially serve as a model for the type of organization you're describing, and could perhaps also be affiliated, as a sister or member organization in a larger federation. Most of the core members of the IBDS are in university French depts. in the U.K., but some regular participants are in French depts. in the U.S. and elsewhere. And some work at universities but in other departments (e.g., art history). Others are independent scholars. It always includes invited cartoonists.

Best wishes,
Mark McKinney
Co-Editor of European Comic Art (www.eurocomicart.org)

CharlesWHatfield

Mark, thank you for the much-needed reminder regarding the IBDS! I'm sorry I overlooked it in my post, of course. Even sorrier that I have not yet had an opportunity to attend an IBDS conference (something I hope to change soon).

I may want to go back and add to the above an update re: IBDS and its relationship to the ECA journal. Certainly I'd like to talk to you more about the following, which I find very promising:

"The IBDS could at least partially serve as a model for the type of organization you're describing, and could perhaps also be affiliated, as a sister or member organization in a larger federation."

Yes, and yes. I'd love to see a North American comics studies association that could partner with IBDS in order to build international ties in our field. Thanks for the thought!

Ben Towle

@Craig - I stand corrected about FILM COMMENT, which is (based on my hazy memories of writing a terrible undergrad film paper on BLADE RUNNER) certainly a "middle road" of film discourse. I should have chosen a discipline for my analogy that was more in my area of expertise (to the extent that I'm an "expert" at anything--a dubious proposition). I think that my comments are based largely on a (probably unrealistic) idealized thought that perhaps the developing world of comics academia might present an opportunity for a field of academic study that's not quite as insular as many. I'd not base an entire "who's excluding whom" on that one excerpted Groth quote, but I certainly think he's got a valid point: any form of analysis that can't, as a matter of course, make qualitative distinctions seems unnecessarily hamstrung. I guess, were I King of the World, what I'd want would be some comics studies version of practice research academics.

But, enough of this... I noted there's a new article posted to TB, so bring on the porn!

Adrielle Mitchell

Charles' further comments, and Mark's mention of the structure of the IBDS are forming a rather graphic shape in my mind: I'm having fun imagining how larger and smaller bodies of a global federation on comics could align in different configurations. There could be an annual international conference hosted by a different national federation every two years; annual conferences held by national or multi-national regions, and then, within each national conference, caucuses representing disciplines (though I'm mightily looking forward to your Transatlantica piece, Charles, and its critique of this very system). I picture a kind of Groensteenian non-contiguous linkage of components (national organizations substituted for comic panels in this analogy)which could be combined and re-combined as needed. Theme-focused, discipline-focused,theory-focused,form-focused, context-focused. . .

While this picture pleases me, I'm troubled by the local version of this work. Charles, you speak about forging connections with colleagues in other departments at our institutions. I, too, have begun plugging for this at my college, having had initial conversations with a)the Dean of Arts and Sciences, b) the Chair of the Art department, c) colleagues in History, Foreign Languages and Education. I am imagining (though very nebulously as yet) a minor in Comics Studies that could include courses in both the production and reception of the form. Literature courses, Art Studio AND Art History/Theory courses, History courses, Education courses, etc. The response has been generally positive (with the chair of the Art dept. particularly enthused), but reality is beginning to set in. Just because I (English dept member) am convinced that my colleagues in History, Anthropology, Sociology, and Philosophy could find much that recommends the form to them, the fact is that VERY few of these same colleagues have anything beyond a cursory exposure to comics. How the hell, beyond proselytizing even more than I/we do already, can these colleagues be induced to work with us to mount interdepartmental programs? Maybe at Northridge you have a number of colleagues outside the English dept. who seriously study comics. I can count on one hand (ok, maybe two) the number of colleagues at my institution who have even read one in the last five years. A few teach a single graphic narrative here and there (almost always from a content-only perspective).

Usually, interdepartmental programs (Women's and Gender, Medieval, Asian Studies, etc.) forge linkages among faculty who ALREADY employ similar theoretical frameworks, albeit limited to a single discipline prior to their conscious entry into multidisciplinary thinking). If we are trying to legitimize the study of comics qua comics (with its own formal properties, critical histories, theoretical questions, etc.) then wouldn't we need to engage only those colleagues who are immersed in such study in our interdepartmental project? It almost seems to demand that such a program recruit all (or nearly all) of its faculty members from OUTSIDE the institution, based on expertise. Which university could afford to do this?

CharlesWHatfield

Adrielle, thanks once again for your thought-provoking commentary. I like your suggestions re: national organizations federating to create a larger international exchange. I particularly like the idea of an annual (or at least regular, i.e., biennial or triennial at the least) international event hosted by different national or multinational organizations on a rotating basis. I'm thinking about how the IAWIS (International Assoc. for Word and Image Studies) holds its international conference every three years but various other allied or related events take place more frequently.

But the most important issue raised in your comment, I think, is the question of how to build interdisciplinary comics studies degree programs on a local level. I agree that that's likely to be a very difficult task.

In my case, at CSU Northridge, I'm the only faculty member, to my knowledge, to teach courses in comics on an annual basis (English 333: Comics and Graphic Novels, a survey course I founded but that in theory other faculty could teach as well; I also teach other courses in which comics play an occasional part, and last spring I taught my first grad seminar in comics studies). However, there was a History class taught last year, I believe it was a senior-level proseminar, about the history of American comic books, taught by someone who I'm afraid I haven't met yet (I'm working on that). And I know faculty in Art and in Cinema and Television Arts who are interested in the subject, enough so to send students my way. :)

Also, the Head of the Japanese section of our Modern and Classical Languages and Literatures Dept. teaches courses in modern Japanese culture that include anime and manga and has sometimes guest-lectured on manga in my comics survey. So I've got some connections with fellow faculty here (bearing in mind that CSUN is a large university with 30K+ students and thousands of faculty and staff).

I've discussed with the Chair of the Art Dept. the prospect of team-teaching a combined theory and studio class (Art and English) in comics, and he was interested, though both of us foundered when it came to figuring out who the ideal population for such a course would be and whether students from different majors would have the right skill sets to get on well in the course.

I've learned from practical dealings (not only about comics) that creating those ideal interdisciplinary partnership programs is a cussedly difficult matter that has as much to do with territoriality, competition for student enrollment, and pragmatic considerations as it has to do with disciplinarity specialization per se. But I still think it's the best way to go with comics studies.

One thing to consider is that some of the courses that might benefit a student in comics studies might not be comics-centered. For example, courses in publishing and book history, textuality, modern and postmodern art history, popular culture, etc., while not specifically related to comics, could serve as elective or even required courses in an interdepartmental comics studies minor, with the proviso that students enrolled in them could pitch their term projects, etc., in the direction of comics. And one course in a minor, perhaps a capstone, might be a thesis or creative project that need not be housed in a particular department but could be arranged with a member or members of the comics studies faculty cohort. What this might require is, say, three faculty members with a vested interest in comics studies and a bunch of others willing to have students pursue individualized comics research in their seminars. Outside readers might also be considered for senior/thesis projects.

I do agree that the likelihood of finding several comics studies specialists at one college or university is small; it seems likely that some of the essential scaffolding for a minor (or major) would have to be laid by one or two faculty, in a small cluster of required core courses. If courses relevant to -- not necessarily specific to -- comics could be found in other departments, including perhaps some foundational Art History courses, etc., these might be used to supplement the core comics courses, thus to enrich the program.

In my college, minors are typically 18 to 21 units (six to seven standard 3-unit courses), of which we could expect, say, 12 units at least to be required as opposed to electives. Me, I'd say we'd need at least three solid comics courses to constitute the core of a minor, one on form and aesthetics (as you said, comics qua comics), one offering a comparative study of different national traditions from a cultural studies POV (sort of an overview of the world map of comics, talking about issues of popularity, marketing, legitimacy, canonization, comics literacy, etc.), and at least one requiring focus in a specific genre and/or historical period. Three or four other elective courses could serve to complement this core, courses that are not necessarily comics-centric, and a 3-unit thesis/project requirement with prospective directors pulled from three or four departments would be ideal.

Mind you, I'm thinking of a minor here. A major would something much more involved. Given that it has taken five-plus years to get my comics survey course permanently added to the catalog (entrenched, legitimized, known, etc.), I have to believe that larger programmatic goals would take even longer. There is no easy way, sigh, to do these things.

I believe that we're going to have to seek strategic alliances with, e.g., new media studies, visual rhetoric, cultural sudies to get comics studies started, to find the sympathetic faculty needed, to find enough courses to sustain degree programs. I'm sorry to say that I don't see this kind of thing happening readily at institutions that are not large enough to support the needed faculty. This is where consortia of multiple institutions might have to come into play, though of course some interested institutions might be so widely separated geographically as to make such partnerships impracticable. :(

Would you be interested in joining a discussion here, as a guest co-blogger sometime, re: the very challenges of creating academic degree programs in comics studies? (I see that you and I will probably meet soon at ICAF 2009!)

Adrielle Mitchell

Just a quick reply to your question for now (will add more when able on the topic of your last post): I think it would be quite enjoyable to guest co-blog (fun phrase to say, too) on this issue; it occupies much of my thinking these days as I try to figure out how to support students who are interested in continuing their comic studies beyond my sui generis, biannual upper division lit course, International Graphic Narrative.

Re: ICAF. Yes! It rapidly approaches (which means it's high time I started scanning the images that go with my paper). You're not to get a swelled head from the fact that my paper actually begins with your name, and phrase("art of tensions"); your presence there predates this conversation by months! I'm excited about ICAF. First time for me, and I think the paper lineup sounds stellar. You're on the board, right? Do you think there's room in the schedule for an impromptu (or, smile, semi-promptu) discussion of the key issues you raised in your statement: the need for an overarching comics studies organization, and the feasibility of interdepartmental comics studies programs at colleges and universities? Perhaps an evening coffee hour or some such announced gathering? I'm arriving in the early evening on Wed and leaving early evening on Saturday.

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